Was There an 1890 School Shooting Worse than Sandy Hook?

A heavily-shared graphic claims that the deadliest school shooting was not Sandy Hook, but one that occurred in 1890 when 290 Indians were killed. Today we'll take a look at this claim.

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The claim is misleading. There was a massacre in 1890 but it did not occur at a school.

Let’s first take a look at what is being claimed:

Sandy Hook the deadliest school shooting in U.S. History…?
I think not. In 1890 the U.S. Government shot and killed over 290 UNARMED Indians at school, including over 200 women and children. How quickly we forget history.

They gave up their guns, too. Remember that!

Based on the assertions made above, we can only assume that this refers to the Wounded Knee Massacre, which occurred in the final days of 1890.

Wounded Knee
The following synopsis of the Wounded Knee Massacre comes from u-s-history.com.

On December 28, 14 days after the brutal shooting of Sitting Bull, the U.S. Army sought to disarm and relocate the Lakota people, who failed to stop their Ghost Dance.

The U.S. authorities ordered the arrest of another Lakota chief, Big Foot. Big Foot’s band, which consisted mostly of women who had lost their husbands and other male relatives in battles with Custer, Miles and Crook, had danced until they collapsed, hoping to guarantee the return of their dead warriors. Big Foot and about 350 Lakota marched to Pine Ridge Reservation to seek protection from the military. At Pine Ridge they surrendered on December 28, 1890, and were escorted to Wounded Knee by the military, where they established a camp at Wounded Knee Creek.

The following morning, December 29, 1890, the military ordered all Indian weapons to be relinquished and burned. A medicine man advocated armed resistance telling the other Indians that their Ghost Dance shirts were bulletproof.

A shot was fired by an unidentified gunman.

On the frozen plains at Wounded Knee on the Pine Ridge Reservation, government troops opened fire on the mostly unarmed Lakota people, and massacred 290 Sioux men, women and children, including many trying to flee, in a matter of minutes. Thirty-three soldiers died, most from friendly fire, 20 Medals of Honor were presented to surviving soldiers.

Let’s take a look at the individual claims presented in the graphic, which as of this writing has nearly 50,000 shares on Facebook.

Claims

  • 290 Indians Killed: TRUE. The actual number varies, but 290 is a figure sometimes used.
  • Indians were unarmed: MOSTLY TRUE. A few Lakota warriors had guns, but most of the Indians were unarmed.
  • Indians killed at school: FALSE.  This event did not take place at a school.
  • Over 200 women and children killed: TRUE
  • They gave up their guns: MIXED. They were ordered to relinquish their weapons after surrendering. It is suggested that a deaf tribesman named Black Coyote refused to give up his rifle, which led to shots being fired and the escalation of the event.


Bottom Line

The Wounded Knee Massacre was a terrible tragedy in which nearly 300 mostly-unarmed Indians were killed. To categorize it as a school shooting, however, is completely without merit.

For a comprehensive list of school shootings in the U.S. see this Wikipedia article.

Read more articles related to gun control rumors and hoaxes here.

Sources:

  • Brown, Dee. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee: An Indian History of the American West. New York: Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1970. Print.
  • Gitlin, Marty. Wounded Knee Massacre. Santa Barbara:  ABC-CLIO, LLC, Santa Barbara. 2011. Print
  • Wikipedia contributors. “Wounded Knee Massacre.” Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia, 26 Feb. 2013. Web. 27 Feb. 2013.

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  • Raelinda Standing Chief

    The above claims are not being seen threw the eyes of native people. What most people dont understand is that back then Reservations were schools. Our people were put there to learen to be white and to forget theyre way of life. My great grandmother was raised on a reservation and would get beat for speacking her on languge. The point is unarmed wemon and children were killld. The same as in sandyhook. Resevations back then were like consintration camps. Today on reservations not much has changed except the Us armed forces dont come kill us unarmed and unprovoked.So untill you have lived on a reservation and grew up the way most of us do I would suggest you not judge. Also the masacure of 290 people in the us by the us is the biggest tragady. But the biggest injustice is the refusle of the us to addmit this happened. Reservations are just the us wasy back then to teach our people to be more like they wanted.

    • waffles

      There is no disputing that it happened or that it was a terrible tragedy. Referring to it as a school shooting is sole point of contention here. It didn’t even occur where these people lived, but at a remote location occupied for a single day before the events unfolded. We have found no history that refers to the tragedy taking place at a school.

      • Steven Henderson

        This is a reservation.
        These are UNARMED women and children.
        A reservation was intended to teach Indians to act white.
        Definition of a school is where children are taught.
        My grandfather was an Illini as a child he was kidnapped by a german couple anf hidden after then lt.custer 1st killed their hunting party, then the Elders, Women and children in camp.
        So, again, what is inaccurate about the statement that this was a school shooting. I see all the revisionist history that it was somehow the Indians fault, it was not, the boundary agreed to by treaty is about 17 miles west of the Indiana state border in ILLINOIS. So this killing was not only a school shooting and attempted genocide it was a CLEAR violation of a treaty .

        • waffles

          What’s odd is that people seem to assume because the “school” angle is disputed, that somehow there is a case being made here to dispute of the entire tragedy. Of course it was unjustified. Of course it was a violation of the treaty. Of course it was NOT the fault of the Native Americans.

          But a SCHOOL? There are absolutely no histories which describe the location as a school. It was a temporary location that existed for 24 hours before the massacre. If you have sources that describe this as a school shooting, please cite them. In fact, the “school” angle is much more of a revisionist history than anything, as this article is agreeing with history that it was not at a school.

          It’s also kind of odd to describe the forceful “teaching” of someone in order to oppress their culture a “school.”

    • Rick

      Sandy hook was a HOAX. There were no bodies because it was all FAKED. you can find this with less than an hour of research. Ever heard of a company called Crisis Actors? They have a website called crisisactors.org. That’s all you should need to know that much of what we see on TV and mainly in the “news” is a load of horse manure.

  • Raelinda Standing Chief

    The killer in sandyhook was mentialy ill. Now were the us troops mential ill? What the us did to our native people is the same thig Hittler did to the Jews. I feel bad for the familys @ sandyhook but our people have been masacured by our own goverment. As for the reservations it is the goverments politicly correct term for consintration camp. Go take a look @ the reservations in the us and see for your self.

    • Rick

      There was no killer at sandy Hook!

      Sandy hook was a HOAX. There were no bodies because it was all FAKED. You can find this with less than an hour of research. Ever heard of a company called Crisis Actors? They have a website called crisisactors.org. That’s all you should need to know that much of what we see on TV and mainly in the “news” is a load of horse manure.

  • Chris

    The defining quality of a school is the concentration of children and those who are looking after their development. The reason I don’t think it’s a stretch to use the term here is because the purpose is to compare similar tragedies. These are similar tragedies based on the victim demographics (as opposed to a conventional battle which is mostly men). What makes them shocking is the number of –children–. Also, the photo blurs these lines for the purpose of reminding how much more horrible the incident cited was, and ultimately how easy it is to massacre many people who are unarmed.

    • waffles

      We have found no written history of the event which refers to the location as a school. The mere concentration of children in an area should not automatically qualify the location as a school, otherwise a Justin Bieber concert or slumber party or Disneyland may also be considered “schools.”

      And you are correct that the photo does take liberties to make a point regarding unarmed victims of massacres, especially children.

  • RobertH

    This is the saddest excuse for a debate that I have ever seen. No it was not a school, period. Try reading Dee Brown’s “Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee” or Roger Di Silvestro’s “In the Shadow of Wounded Knee”.

    • Steven Henderson

      How is Dee Brown, a novelist and non Indian relevant.
      How is Roger Di Silvestro, a manifest destiny proponent and non Indian relevant.
      Treaty line is in ILLINOIS west of treaty line is Indian territory.
      Undeniably the Dakotas are west of that line.
      So if the U.S. had not violated their own treaty this could not have happened.
      Even if it was not a school, which it was, it is still an example of the U.S. violating any and all treaties with the American Indians at will,

  • Coharie Ron

    It was not a school from the view of a European settler, but everyday life would have been a teaching experience for the children of the Lakota at that time. The children in essence were learning what was expected of them in the event of the loss of their family friends and loved ones in battle. Just because they weren’t in a school house doesn’t mean they weren’t being taught. All the education we provide our public service officials and military doesn’t occur in a classroom why would you suppose that a group of people living in a pre-industrial
    society more than 120 years ago would be held to such a standard. If you can say that soldiers exemplified personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty by shooting at 290 mostly unarmed civilians and one another then certainly children watching a cultural ceremony could be considered to be at a school function. Just because everyone at school isn’t learning doesn’t mean they aren’t at school, if you look at some of the things happening at schools in our nation from our “Educators” you can’t even call it teaching or education, it’s more like indoctrination or proselytization.

    • waffles

      Thank you for your comment.

      Perhaps if this occurred where these people lived, a case could be made. This certainly wasn’t everyday life, however, being held at a temporary and remote location surrounded by Hotchkiss guns. I do not believe the soldiers exemplified valor beyond the call of duty.

    • Diana

      Hmm, I am in agreement with waffles. While I understand the viewpoint you are trying to make, that would technically be the case for absolutely any place where children are at. A family being massacred in their home does not make it a school shooting, even though the point of a home is to teach children how to live their lives and to teach them family values. Even if the children were homeschooled, it would still not be considered a school shooting. It would still be a tragedy (as all massacres are) but it would not fall under the category of a school shooting.

      • Randy

        What line..and I think Im saying this right..Is you..meaning most Americans look at a school as a building..Indians then and even now Look at a school as a place of learning..Where ever that may be..Thats what it means when we say An English word does not have the same meaning or even exist to an Indian.The very thing that was taking place during this Massacre Was Teaching..As Medacine Men where referered to by white men as Doctors..Not true..They where more a teacher of old ways..Still the problem being..White people really had no word for Medacine man..Hence the name Medacine man

  • Brie

    Many of you seem incapable of grasping an incredibly basic concept here… did this massacre occur? YES. Is the OP disputing that it transpired? NO. Were the Natives on their Reservation? NO. Were the Natives in a school? NO.

    So, if this DID NOT happen on a Res, and DID NOT happen at a school, then that very clearly means it is NOT A SCHOOL SHOOTING since, by definition, a shooting must take place at a school in order for it to be classified as a “school shooting”.

    The great thing about facts is that they’re true regardless of if you believe them… or, apparently, possess capable brain function to process them…

    • Darkwolfe

      Wounded Knee is on the reservation,period.

  • yabbadoody

    nice try – but since the entirety of the United States Government, including the US Military, was involved in suppressing and exterminating all of the various indigenous American populations for several decades (and arguably, continues that effort until present),

    THIS DOES NOT COUNT.

    SPONSORED ACTS OF GENOCIDE do not equate with MENTALLY UNSTABLE INDIVIDUAL PREDATORS.

    One is the act of an unstable, usually heavily armed individual. The other is an ACT OF OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY.

    If anyone commenting here actually believes for one moment that they can individually withstand THE EFFORTS OF ENTIRE US GOVERNMENT ‘DISARMING’ THEM, IN ANY FORM OR CAPACITY, AT ANY TIME, well – just guess again. And good luck with that.

  • Steve Epperson

    nomatter death is not and never will be an answer unless God takes the life the end

  • JLee

    Were they not “home schooled”?

  • Patriot7

    Bottom line: Giving up any part of our constitution especially the 1st and 2nd amendments is just pure stupidity… More gun legislation would not have prevented the insanity that revolved around Sand Hook, nor any other crime where criminals and sick minds do evil.
    I will keep my tools such as guns that will defend my family and I against evil, no Government or law can do that for you.
    Just say no to the socialist agenda, the domestic enemies within our borders and those sitting in elected chairs who comitt treason daily.
    From my cold dead hand socialist.

  • glenn

    that event was and still is an atrocious cruelty against our fellow man and a very sad day in our history.

    • waffles

      Well stated Glenn…

  • derik

    All have to say is there is something bigger is on the horizon. There’s a reason why they are wanting to disarm us. All I have to say history can and will repeat it’s self again. I’m just saying wake up and get a full understanding on where everything is leading to. The fearless leader is hell bent to change our lifes and take our rights away. Look at Michelle Obama hating on fat people, trying to band Mc Donalds drive-thrus so that people would get up off their fat asses and go in and get there food. Banning big gulps from 7-11 in New York mayor Bloomberg supports this and it happened. Look no one should ever have that right to tell anyone what they can and can’t do. Adolf Hitler did the same thing, people were blinded by his charm and character,just like people are blinded by Obama. Just keep in mind that the constitution was put there for a reason and we are falling under a dictato

  • epeoples

    Waffles is casting pearls before swine here. I have to remind myself to never read the comments sections in newspapers and blogs. They are a sewar. All the mouth-breathers show up and engage in some of the most pathetic attempts at obfuscation to deny facts that stare them right in the face. It’s a shame, Waffles, but that’s the way it is. You just can’t reach some people. They are too far gone.

  • Amy

    I would just like to inform you that the natives were pushed into school. It was not their school, it what the white man forcing them to learn their ways and their culture. Those were the types of schools back then, so to say that was not a school is being ignorant. Learn your history before you post such and offensive post.

    • waffles

      They weren’t in a school of any kind, their’s or the white man’s. They were in a temporary location for 24 hours, surrounded by guns. You call that a school? What is offensive about agreeing with virtually every history written about the event?

      • Johnny 56

        Waffles, after reading many of these posts, I must agree with you
        that It wasn’t a school but mostly a POW camp. It also cannot be
        ignored that the fact is that the US Gov was responsible for that
        act of carnage. Reprehensible ! Buy you’re right. A 24 hour internment
        cannot in any culture classify as a “school” . A white school was in
        a building while the red man’s was not teaching math but teaching the
        history of their culture and survival in the open spaces. Both qualify
        as schooling but a formal school IS in a classroom in a building.
        No building, NO SCHOOL. Therefore NO school shooting.

        There are many attempts here to posit otherwise, mostly for
        revisionist history to validate their beliefs. However abominable
        and deplorable as it was, it was NOT a school “shooting”. It was a savage
        attack sanctioned by a very young government of unhindered elitists.

      • Johnny 56

        Ok

      • Caifeng

        Idk who you are I fell on this site. But I love this article. I will be looking forward to other things from you in the future :) it was really nice to see someone separate the facts but still stay true to the key points in the story. This is a tale that needs to be told for sure

        • http://wafflesatnoon.com Waffles At Noon

          Thank you. It’s a shame that conspiracy theorists have taken Wounded Knee and tried to re-write its history in order to promote their fringe beliefs on Sandy Hook. We very much appreciate your comments.

  • Rick

    Sandy hook was FAKED!

    Sandy hook was a HOAX. There were no bodies because it was all FAKED. you can find this with less than an hour of research. Ever heard of a company called Crisis Actors? They have a website called crisisactors.org. That’s all you should need to know that much of what we see on TV and mainly in the “news” is a load of horse manure.

    Fake blood stays red for hours. Real blood turns black in less than an hour. FAKE terror attacks are just one little tool of the fascist war pigs that own this country and the rest of the world.
    You sheeple need to wake up.

    • Caifeng

      Real blood doesn’t turn black in less than an hr. Not mass quantities.. I’m js make sure you’re being totally factual while u are writing your fiction here

  • Tony

    After reading through this thread, I wanted to ask a simple question on both sides:

    If it WERE a school, would you admit that the innocent killing of children was just as detrimental as Sandy Hook? What makes this massacre any less significant? It would be no better or worse than that of Sandy Hook, only more children would have been innocently killed in 1890. Correct?

    Now if you don’t agree with the aforementioned, answer this:

    It is WERE NOT classified as a school, does this mean that you nonchalantly cast it aside because it doesn’t have the same effect as Sandy Hook in your mind??? So you think it was not a trajedy because it wasn’t in a school???

    If you answered yes to the last two questions, then consider this simple scenario:

    All of the kids at Sandy Hook took a field trip to the state capitol. All of the same events transpired at the capitol building with the same madman.

    Now go back and try to answer the same questions . . . . .

    • Caifeng

      I don’t think the author is saying it isn’t horrific, I think it’s just trying to be factual. I don’t think this should be in the same category as sandy hook. What happened at wounded knee was genocide. It belongs with the Holocaust. Both were horrible things, senseless and heinous for sure

  • Spirit Bear

    Both events were massacres of innocent school aged children that threatened no one. The description of the place of each slaughter is not relevant to the unjustifiable action that took place at each place. The responsibility lies with every shooter who pulled their trigger to kill innocents and those that let their policies create the actions that resulted in both massacres. The US government and it’s representives bear the burden its of dishonesty and greed with all Native people. Wounded Knee should not have happened. The men in uniform showed their ignorance of the people in their care and their arrogance toward all Native people. The men that were representives of the USA were not honorable men. The victims at Sandy Hook were innocent children that a mental health system failed to protect. The definition of the description of where these events took place is not important and not worthy of our attention. All people lost when each slaughter occurred and the scar we carry should remind us to be a people with honor.

    We can start on that journey to find our honor by recognizing our failure to have a policy that provides ways for our Native people to succeed and to provide for their families with a culture of work not welfare. To win the Civil War Sherman started his war of terror on the innocent non military families of the South by taking everything and leaving these families to starve. Next he used his terrorist officers to take the land and the living they crafted from it. These legions of terrorists conquered a culture that was in harmony with the natural world. Native people were abused, lied to, given deseases, starved, forced to be farmers on unfarmerable land, moved away from their homelands, pushed into reservations with no resources, and punished if they tried to preserve their languages and culture. Many people think that Natives are prospering because of the high visibility of casinos, while others are forgotten with third world living conditions. They try to survive on very little, sometimes without heat, limited food, limited jobs, cramped housing, and little hope for better lives. Out of sight out of mind seems to be their reality. It is time for Native people to have opportunies to prosper and have an equal place in this country like the Negroes did after the War of Northern Agression. They have been some of the best soldiers in our military campaigns around the world defending our freedoms. Now we can thank them for their service by giving Native people the resources to succeed. We have to take care of our own first.

    This is all I have to say.

    I wish you well pilgrim ,SB

    • Caifeng

      I’m in tears. Thanks you so much. I don’t k ow if you’re native but I am. And hearing someone, any one, recognize the horror that was done to my people just makes me happy and sad at the same time. The reservations are still a depressing place. People are literally trying to marry interracially because of the shame they feel for their own blood. Our languages all but lost. Forced to sell replicas of our sacred objects to whiney kids on the side of the road. We are not indians. We are not from india. We are not a Halloween costume, or a team mascot. We are americans.

    • Ian Andrew

      Was there with you until the fourth sentence from the end. The “Negroes” after the “War of Northern Aggression”? Really? When/where are we again? The 1950′s Deep South? Can’t tell if you’re just trolling or not, but the Civil War was started by the Confederacy against the Union with shots fired on the US Army installation Fort Sumter. Either way, getting into a discussion of the causes/motives of the Civil War is a conversation for another day.

      The US government certainly has many sins to atone for, both domestically and abroad and it should absolutely strive to remember such atrocities in order to be a more honorable Nation in the world (a la Germany post WWII is a good example of a country that has done this).

      With regard to giving the Native peoples the opportunity to succeed in the US/world, I think the answer is relatively simple, albeit a bitter pill for many: we need to abolish the reservation system. Sure the Native Americans originally wanted land set aside for them, but it unfortunately played into the racist attitude the United States government of the time, for they too wanted the Natives out of the way for their own desires. As you stated, the Natives were resettled onto the most inhospitable land available, thereby marginalizing them in perpetuity.

      As you read this, a thought that may immediately jump out is: “we did NOT want land set aside for us, we wanted TO KEEP OUR LAND!” Of course this is true, but the reality is is that the United States behaved like every expansionist society that has ever existed and was totally unwilling to bend to such demands. Their desire was strong and the opportunity was there and they took it. No matter how badly those that are in power now feel about it, they will never give that land back. It simply will not happen. Germany was forced to give its conquered territory back, but only after Russia and the Western Allies had conquered them in turn (and importantly while the wounds were still fresh). The Native Americans (and the Aboriginals of Australia) will sadly not be so lucky. Therefore, the only way to approach the problem is to have a rational dialogue based on reality.

      As a marginalized people, there is to me no benefit that can outweigh the negatives of reservation life. As you said, there is a thin veneer of success from casinos, but for the rest third world conditions prevail. In such a situation, the people are all too often tempted to escape the pain of everyday life through alcohol and other drugs. This is no formula for success or changing ones fortune. The Native people must leave the reservation (voluntarily of course, forced moves are also no formula for success [see inner city projects]), but first schools with good teachers must be provided for the young and old alike in order to integrate properly into modern American society, perhaps even a government stipend to provide means for leaving and living to get settled elsewhere.

      While many may see this as giving up their culture, it should be noted that the USA is the most pluralist society in the entire world, with many, many peoples who are able to maintain their identities and traditions despite living in a new society. As peoples who have been forced into foreign lands with tribes that they did not before associate with, have not their cultures already shifted into something different than they were 150 years ago? Is whoring out sacred objects to tourists who understand nothing truly preferable? Has this not in itself changed native cultures? While it is important to remember your past and cherish it, the lust for remaining true to tradition can also be the downfall of a people, as to keep to the ideas of one era chains the people of the present. No culture can truly pass through time unchanged, for cultures themselves are chameleons by nature and to force anything otherwise will lead to disastrous consequences.

  • dave

    I have to say after reading all of the info here and other sites pointed out here. You are an idiot for not considering the fact that the wounded knee massicure was in fact a school.

    • waffles

      Your argument would be stronger if you could cite one written history of the massacre which describes it as a school.

  • Hunter

    …and we were called SAVAGES! When the white man came to America, they found my people, INDIANS, already living here. It was OUR land and they were the real savages. We did not go into to the camps/homes of the white man in darkness and kill their women and children as they did my people. We were peaceful people and when attacked, we fought back according to our culture teachings. Who was the aggressor? Just as they remain the real savages of modern times. The government is still killing and taking as they wish and for selfish gain. There are opinions of definitions in previous posts…

    How would you defend your family and property if it were threatened today?

    The white man has not changed!

    You call my people savages! Your Hitler did much of what the white man did to my ancestors! Is a church a school? So, it would be okay to kill innocent people there? Is there fault in respecting life regardless of were it is?

    • Caifeng

      Did u really just call yourself an Indian?! Smh

    • Greg Smith

      Yes. The white man did it all. I am brainwashed and following like a sheep. I am “white”, yes. but please, don’t insult me by throwing me in the same group as these. Of course, it IS easier to just get all in a lather about a group and start throwing rocks and burning cars. There ARE two points that I will agree with you on, though – one, the government can’t be trusted any more now, than it could then and two, this is why people arm themselves against the government. Of course, you veer off into extremo land at that point again, because I’m pretty sure that ALL the people in the WHOLE ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT are not “white.” The problem is not too many white people in government, it is too many rich and powerful lifers. You can’t convince me that Al Sharpton REALLY wants prejudice to go away – if it DID, he’d be out of a job – so it IS in his best interests to keep people hacking away at each other.

  • Ben

    “The Wounded Knee Massacre was a terrible tragedy in which nearly 300 mostly-unarmed Indians were killed.”

    “Tragedy”? It was mass murder and genocide. And not a “tragedy” which sounds like it has been an accident.

    And if it wasn’t in a school, so what? Still a f–king mass murder, no matter if it was in a school or not.

    Even if this picture is wrongly saying that it was in a school, it is still a good thing to remember at that massacre at all.

    • waffles

      trag·e·dy
      noun: tragedy; plural noun: tragedies
      1. an event causing great suffering, destruction, and distress, such as a serious accident, crime, or natural catastrophe.

      Mass murder can be a tragedy.

  • Paul Pearson

    A reservation is not a school. No more than a town or village is not a school. Do you live in your school?

    No. by no stretch of the imagination was Wounded Knee a school. It may conceivably have a place of learning within it, but that’s all.

    Sandy Hook was not faked – only a heartless moron would suggest it. People who make such claims are Holocaust deniers. You don’t believe it happened? Then go tell that to the bereaved parents, I dare ya.

  • jjlund

    is there a school in your town or village?… the way i see it is how you define school… children killed while sitting down learning from an elder… do they have to be white in a building to be at school? sounds like you want it both ways…. bottom line they where masacared by the government… and they where unarmed.

  • Joyce

    Seriously, I knew one of the children so I beg to differ with you.

    While I agree we should have the right to own guns, two things are obvious that gun rights activists just can’t seem to comprehend.

    First, even if we don’t count such tragedies as Sandy Hook, way too many gun owners do not have the mental capacity evidently to keep their guns away from children who suffer thousands of injuries and deaths yearly (fact) and why do you also have a problem with keeping guns out of the hands of known offenders dah.

    Secondly, since when is your measly little arsenal of guns going to be able to take on the federal governments huge arsenal of weapons such as tanks and trained soldiers.

    The worst part about most people espousing this nonsense is that they claim to be christian which in no way is even compatible with the notion of gun worshiping.

    • Caifeng

      Let’s take away they guns so no one will get shot.. just like how no one can use drugs anymore lmao

  • Azreal lebeau

    First of all the school shooting was A fake, just the use of terror tactics so the government gets what it wants. Secondly the only main thing that matters is that UNARMED men women and children where gunned down weather they relinquished there weapons or not,Truth hurts and if we don’t learn from our past we are doomed to repeat it

  • robert evers

    Who is the idiot who sandy brook was fake.

  • don2478

    Spirit Bear,
    Yours is a well written response and I agree with my whole heart with your statements. There is a lot of discussion about reparations for the children of former slaves, but these former slaves’ offspring should be paying reparations to the native americans that were devastated by military and civilian authorities during the late 1800s and the early 1900s. The offspring of the former slaves were part of the mechanism that was used, military and civilian, to help destroy the native nations. So it seems to me that the only people deserving of reparations are the native peoples who are currently tied to the tribes.
    May God bless all of those struggling to survive in a situation created by the government and the civilians authorities and those that today perpetuate the system of repression and spiritual destruction.

  • http://wafflesatnoon.com Waffles At Noon

    The picture claims it is a school shooting, which it is not. “Missing the point” would be attempting to turn this into a broader discussion about the tragedy.

  • waffles

    Thanks for the heads up on the photo being used. It’s a very sad story, but we’re glad you shared it.

  • waffles

    Thanks for posting these additional resources.

  • waffles

    That image was not taken at the site of the Wounded Knee Massacre. It wasn’t even taken in the U.S. It is of the Kamloops Indian Residential School in Canada.

    Why not agree with written, documented, first-hand history that has never referred to it as a school?

    Probably the most common description of the site would be a “camp.” They didn’t gather in a ravine, they were killed in one as they tried to escape.

  • waffles

    Such a terrible story, but valuable information. Thanks for posting.

  • Elliot

    Yontocket was the name of the ranchera. It seems to be implied that the schoolhouse (and the modern town) were named in memorium of the event.

    It also occured in 1853, not 1890, and had much to do with racism and ethnic tension and virtually nothing to do with a school.

    You should read the articles you link to.

  • eddie

    also, while wounded knee was indeed a tragedy, it was also certainly a crime.

  • EaveintheAdirondacks

    Oh, but you will see this once again rest assured. It will be a sad sad day at that.

  • Caifeng

    I’m really not trying to be an ass, but can u call us natives, or native Americans even tribal americans. I’m not from india